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knees and said, we have to go on after these guys. we don't know what we're doing. we don't know what will help. we have to go out there and try to talk to them from our hearts and souls. we are behind them no matter what they find themselves into over there. on never be able to live with this or myself. we practically had carte blanche going out to units in talking to them about what they feared that they might face because we are in uniform. conversations going. been around a long time. i have been around so long that i know grandfathers, fathers, soldiers, sons, and sons of
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soldiers. so i fell into this honeypot of opportunity to be able to talk to people who knew me as an old man that might not read them out as far as how they really felt. .. i have no idea how he got out
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the money, but we were on the road possibly to talking to people and will be told them before they left as if you could honestly, were still alive. we will be hereafter studied by your contractor with possible. and learning how to pray from the redemption of matter what you face. i don't think i've missed many downs they are sinners and i hope to tell you later that how we get a briefing. service of process and that we would stay with these folks while we were there. all i can say is did we do anything right quite some noble psychology professors have had a chance to visit with you at the last couple days have passed what do you think were passed? we don't know. we never did anything like this
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before and we probably never will again. we did everything we planned to do and is not experimentally log. we would go on car rides and we demand the 90 and the administration as our medical surgeon. we've carried that through them were pleased with that. did we do any good? i'm praying we did. >> or a commie writing your hook stuck to a couple lessons you wish you would have been told. >> a can, it is our culture. we like to shuffle things under
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the rug that we really got to stare in the face. several things i wish i understood before i went in before i came back, my fantasy resending in that case were today our kids have to do send me all their life they should do. and as you deyo christian culture. thou shalt not kill a human being. that's over asking if the air force academy and i was talking to a woman generally in charge of their curriculum and they said we don't talk about killing people. we'd all like to talk about that.i. wish i'd been a little mirth again before i went, even before i joined the marine
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court. those kinds if kids don't tend to think about stuff like that. we have to take it on ourselves as adults to make them aware of it. they're not going to do about there a. it's not like you have an answer, but at least you have a trademark that you're not going crazy, that should not evo, that should not send payment animal. all of these doubts the closer we got him because he toured darkside on other people. one of the more important things is the mechanism of how you do kill somebody and that's what i call a pseudo-speciation in the book is a fancy term for turning somebody into the animal.
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you can't dehumanize people. that's terrible. the fact of the matter is the only way you will kill somebody is dehumanize them. were asking them to be sophisticated enough to kill an animal in the cause of all kinds of names. , hotkeys, kooks. we are greater that. if he doesn't understand what the mechanism is, it's hard to get out with it. you still think they're in the polls. they were killing animals as far as psychology was concerned and if they been told ahead of time you get into this come you get out of it assesses you can peer the tenants are usually 20 to come out but older than people tear the thing would have a better chance of seeing what's going on. i got myself involved in stuff for a win into a no quarter fate
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because i was angry. would've taken the without doing none, but i didn't have the where with all terms of framework to think about it. so that's a big thing. the second thing is education about what happens to your brain after you come back. we all know combat as casualties occur in the infantry, early in a two or because the brain has been adapted. the brain starts to switch the circuitry. it's not psychological. it's physiological. your assigned as a civilian and wonder what it is because the price is going through cerebral cortex. by the time you've done all that and combat, your dad. what happens you rewire the circuitry. there's no more thought. you hear the sound and you shoot
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it. that's ptsd. i pumped my head on a cupboard in the kitchen one day and i turned around and took it out of my face. there's my kids and wife. what is going on with dad? crockery ensued cans all over the kitchen floor and my hands are lucky. we have made clear. we'd never heard of ptsd. they were frightened. my wife was wondering if it's her fault. with a little bit of education would've gotten his got posttraumatic stress because he's in the war and not angry at us and got surprised and check out the cupboard because he wasn't thinking clearly better get him some help in madison and it's not our fault. i still do it. i've still got it. the other day my daughter put the chain lock on the door and i open the door and it surprised me. i hit the door couple times.
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this forehand. my wife said didn't take your meds today, did you? but that's because we are educated now. we understand what the mechanism is. this is just part of having gone to war the part you come back with. if you don't know about it from a whole lot of families have no education whatsoever on it in their suffering. you've got a wife in a corner because her husband is going loony. she didn't know what it was her what's going on. what happens to your brain over there and when you come back and getting an idea that it's actually kind of normal reaction to the extremes of combat. this is what you relink aged in. this is about killing people. >> host: dr. ray come here and
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historian. has this always been going on? >> it's always been like this. palmer had some good in that it into all of this. i agree so much with coral. in my book they are still much we teach our children from the time they're able to be taught anything. one is to not put themselves at risk to avoid danger in the second is not to harm others. we take 19 eurocentric it both of these things. you have to do it not simply to harm the great legal harm to other people and do it quickly without thinking and after a couple years we stayed now you're through. you can go home and forget about all of these things. they do control the behavior despite the stories, they do
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control the behavior, but they never forget. one simply cannot forget. >> anything to add? >> now, except i really like to point you made about this is a natural response. part of my research i talked to an air force psychiatrist that of scott air force base and she suggested she's working with the team tried to change the term from pts d., posttraumatic stress disorder to posttraumatic stress syndrome, suggesting this is not sent me your broken, have a row can link and have to park at the handicap facility. second it's a natural response to body has to an extreme situation in your body will heal itself if you give it a chance in a hand. i had the same suggestion from the nurses i worked with to include one who's doing her phd work in the chicago
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secondary casualties and what she's researching is the medical personnel to become psychological casualties based on what they see and what they do. this suggestion is they can become casualties in the casualties they work with if you talk to her properly and prepare them properly. she liked the framework we use in dealing with homeland security where your preparedness and response and you can mitigate, prepare and protect and you can rapidly respond and then you can recover. and the lot turned, try to give long-term care that she's taking a trademark and the next step is to understand over talking about with soldiers with medical people.
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if you spend 30 years cutting car seats out of the back rolled over events that eventually it doesn't have to get to you in a way that breaks your brain and causes you to become an alcoholic if you've been prepared and then if we respond properly after it takes place. i'm hopeful. military medicines have made huge strides as a result of bringing people home wounded. >> so colonel coffin, you work with forces for some number of years. do they have any training programs to prepare these first responders? panic truth is they've done better than we have, but we've learned the last 10 years. our people will be exposed to
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the most devastating explosion of their vision, ideal and fantasies of what god and country, nation, chain of command and legitimacy -- legitimacy of task will be. the question is how would they handle that in turn only? what we're working with people now doing is trying to sell to our soldiers the idea of you need to know who you are. i'd like to see every soldier can attend sessions of psychotherapy before they go over. and if they don't, as many of you know we have met, we well expect you to attend sessions after you come back.
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get with a center attack to somebody about readjustment counseling. i like that way. that's not that scary a word. you can get some readjustment counseling. for not tacking on a psychoanalytic therapy. we're talking about readjustment counseling because just because you've been exposed to the total denigration of your ideals does not mean you need to go around a broken vietnam vets come in and resentful about everything. you've got to get yourself together knowing who you are. each one of the folks in the audience is different. bottom-line compromise situation with leadership that's questionable. we've got to disobey a command to save your platoon. each one of you will come to a different place on that and
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arrive at a different conclusion in a different way. even if those situations are going to end up in death and destruction, it's got to be the way you can live with the best. even as the individual. you've got to come away with your internal truth contact them to believe that can be done. we're just starting to wake up to that. i want to talk about my bow tie here first of all. one of the things karl and i were talking about the other day as ritual as mostly i am a white protestant boy from boston. we don't have any rituals. you make a church in sunday or something, but somebody talk to me by rituals early in my guard career and i had a hero who had his lake house blown off and he
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went to a vet center after living in a cabin for four years and started talking to some of the period he was also an alcoholic. back i sent him to 12 step recovery in some deep spiritual selves within himself, higher power, got sober, worked for 35 years, wore a bowtie every day and a smile and a believe that people can redeem themselves. you know i am wearing this bowtie, great? because i'll look at myself every morning and go you can do this because all buckley did it. he's a korean war veteran and i'm a vietnam veteran. you will find your ritual. you may be dancing around a campfire in the new by yourself and some of you have told me i'm not at that last year.
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whatever it takes to get in touch with who you are. get the herd mentality. get yourself right and the know-how something to offer the rest of us. you're the hope of the future. we are done. were just talking about what we've heard. we have a behind deal. thank you. >> you speak in your knowledge about this transcendence that may or may not be spiritual. i notice you bounced around inside his spiritual philosophies and trying to describe it. but talk a little bit about how you think to be prepared to go to combat you have to have some understanding of a higher power or higher order of the world. >> first of all is everything before, be honest about what
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you're being asked to do. you're been asked to do two things. sacrifice your own life for the good of others. the christian religion is about a god that sacrifices his own life for the good of others. taking of life is also some thing that should be relegated to the gods. i don't care what your religion is. i used to sense god is higher power and something immense should have to be involved with the weak u.s. can't give it to be with it. willy-nilly you are involved in a spiritual issue even though it's horrible. her coulter is wonderful. what religion to be pixie dust. we like christmas. we don't like good friday. it's just the way we are built. if you look at world religion
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they have a lot of dark sides. the iroquois and aztecs had ritual torture and if you think about crucifixion, that's ritual torture, is it not quite if you think about the demons of tibetan buddhism has this dark, dark side to this spiritual reality. the beginning it's just that, you begin to understand they might be entering the dark side of something which is in fact rules we generally suspect the cause would do but now are asking ordinary young humans to do. the other thing i thought about is whether or not it is a spiritual experience, it is sort as intense as the spiritual experience and that is combat. i suspect it may be the dark side of the same coin. i can tell you here how similar it is if you think about the
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mistakes of many world religions, therefore things in common. they are always aware of their own death. those of you who are children of the 60s remember carl castanon of, always over your shoulder. in combat, and death is always over your shoulder in the next thing the mistakes are always focused on is the moment. only right now it's real in the gears of psychophysical exercises. to get into a place where they can instill their minds and be in the moment. i guarantee you if you are in combat, you're in the moment. that death is over your soldier in the other things these mystics have in common is they try to subsume their egos for greater goods and you're in a
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unit in one of the things that makes me so proud be part of the military experience as i have experienced situations where people clearly will die for everybody else. that is really a rare thing, but that is what you're doing to combat in the final thing you saw these mystics are parts of larger groups. churches, christians. so here we have the similarities between ordinary spiritual experiences in combat are striking and we have to accept it. i'm not going to say that comments are spiritual experience. it was for me, but for some people as intense. either way if you go to st. john of the cross and have them come back down and cook burgers at
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mcdonald's, he's going have a problem. he's not going to fit in very well and that's what raskin area people to do. >> speaking of that, what did she say the first time he went to see what it veterans at the hospital? >> yeah, i went for a solid battle of falluja in november 2004 in the following year in 2005 and up and down their two -- i was stunned by what i saw. obviously the people are hospitalized at places like walter reid this has got her searcy wounded. they are missing limbs, they have said if acanthus figuration if there were injuries, are usually time it broke and not. i was struck at them and them
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and i was struck in talking to them. i was asked what happened to them and they tell me how this occurred. i'm always struck them saying i want to get back to my unit. my initial thought is these guys are so caught up in what president bush or cheney or rumsfeld are saying is that the purpose of the war in iraq or afghanistan that they want to carry the flag again, but it's farmer a sick than that. they want to be with their unit. they want to be with their friends, their buddies and when they hear about a friend that's killed, i have a dear young marine who was shot in falluja, most noble ones. he learned one of the guys in his platoon had been killed on thanksgiving day in 2004. i have been a notice he said i should've been there to help him. i do think this instinct to
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reach out and help being part of a unit, which carl did not experience a bit numb this so called an aggregator via handshake of more people coming in and out. but it was struck sometimes they told stories about what happened and i feel like they're in the hallway. but that's not productive for them. i've never heard anyone complain. i've never had a single person say it's not my fault. this war is was i doing there? i can't believe there's times that night they don't feel sorry for themselves. but it's really remarkable generation of young people. >> what dr. wright is talking about is a natural instinct of those people born to become warriors and that is they will naturally protect. that's what they do.
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they protect. it's a natural instinct to do something for your friends, to help your friends. i thought baisden uncles and cousins were world war ii veterans. they're fighting for democracy. are you kidding me? all they want to do was get the job done, get home alive with all the things they could. it never changes. caress the billions we have to be extremely careful because what we have here is a precious gift from nature, which is you have young people who will sacrifice body, lynn and life because they want to help and be part of the group into all of that. it's a natural urge and they'll do it, but were the ones who have to use it wisely and put them in the right place. so this idea of doing it for patriotism you can say that. i know for me and my father and
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uncles and push came to shove, when it was down to the real dark and dirty in combat, we weren't thinking about anything like that. so the adults have to say let's use this gift wisely or public and let's not waste it. i think we've lost sight of that. >> detained as a chance we are wasting an because we are campaigning to the less risky military endeavors on our part furry conflict just as much death and description on the air me. >> it goes back to the issue about what are we doing in the world. he didn't use the word empire. are we sacrificing ourselves to protect our people are we sacrificing ourselves to put forward some political agenda or some geopolitical agenda. it's a very critical issue for
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any young person and it's not just the question is can the american people afford to be in the entire, do we want to be an empire and we want our kids dying for something were not sure it's protect the not because the natural instinct is to protect, not to do some real politics and that's a fundamental question this nation hasn't sold yet and we need to. >> dr. mcintyre come you had a line in your book concerning the wounded. everybody who goes to work in chad. some in the body, someone that had come as some in the higher. what do you mean by that? >> that is talking to people with my experience of 30 years in the military. i was fortunate or unfortunate depending what you think. i was the first class at west point not to go to the vietnam war.
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the year before istook only volunteers. two years ahead of me they took everybody. in 1970 only volunteers. in march they return to volunteers as for vietnam. president nixon had established victimization. as the first class not to go to vietnam. i left the service 30 years later. after 30 years and 29 days, two weeks into months before 9/11. so i fell right in the middle. not that we didn't do anything for 30 years. we work 20 hours a day, for his death amid casualty. i would refer not to talk about those. but we had a kid killed by a tree limb. i had troops are now rare. we had guys this dirty cheap because of his waist deep snow
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and five degrees below zero net carbon monoxide poisoning. it was a dangerous world here to listen as if there was no fighting. has just said i wasn't an area so what then did i discover a bad experience and experience of my sons who did go, my nephew stated to the people i interviewed who did go and what i got played back against me carry her with this idea that everybody goes who's going to and i had a person come to me and send them to show you the page of the paragraph where i decided to get counseling and that sentence right there at this female soldier said a close vote and that that's what's wrong with you. i've been shot in a. i just know it. i'm not crazy, but something is wrong in my heart because i can't get it right. i can't get back to the centerline of my life.
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karl has mentioned a very good point about people searching for utility anything you've addressed it and i would suggest one of the things that eventually we will find is a cure for this is helping people find utility for their lives. also just out of frustration about what it is we want to do any unhappiness about a variety of missions in washington d.c. and displeasure of gridlock in congress might resolve the generation from now as people who have been overcome and pay the price, come back, can't find the world changing job and suddenly discover rising to leadership positions in their own communities and states and nations may be just what the doctor ordered. out of this darkness people bring home may be a great way for the nation and our future. >> thank you, kernel. this is excellent.
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thank you. that's a great line. because no one comes back the same. not one person i've ever known has come back the same. not one. we used out this term they threw around as a quick anecdote: the normal. is that a true statement? tim o'bryan's definition of how to tell a true war story includes if it's believable it's not true. new normal is not true. you're not going to be normal again. you're not going to be normal living for their life. he was a warrior are going to think there's something wrong.
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what was the utc is he referring not to sit here so, i have been through compromise, horrible choices that have caused me to think i could've done better. now the survival go category. my favorite story about survivor guilt is the former chief of the vets and their was severely wounded. the kid next to him lost three limbs in the kid next to describe one night. he finally gets up his courage to ask why he's crying and the kid says the kid next to them is okay. i don't know if you can make it. what are you worried josie for? jones they lost all four in one.
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so this guy with three limbs gone, we've been in the night. now the conclusions that is the only ones who don't feel survivor guilt are the dead ones. it's a little roughness language en masse, but that's not far from the truth. having said that his club and sold for a second here. the iphone society concerns me. when's the last time you had a conversation with somebody going yeah, yeah. i think we need to put our arms around each other. when the military military know that. now they are hugging. even people who don't want to
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hug, maybe pete will at this table to hug, but we've all heard. i learned how to hug from janet thomases spent 18 summers in the woods at the first battalion armor in vermont by yourself with the mariners and she's been known as lieutenant bob. she became colonel imam and she hugged people and nobody had the guts to tell her we shouldn't be doing this. she was going to hug somebody whether somebody through a router not and it's very much not sexualized. it is very deep on a soul level. one of the great inspirations revealed to me and i can't take any credit was suddenly decided to do our debriefings coming suggestion was when we meet
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troops at the platoon levels and talk to them, we usually have a couple of peers, real soldiers that have been there, who are coming down with us to create me and maybe a chap or something with the platoon of ideally 40 people. said the debate was even among the women, we send them in town to decrease these mostly men and the answer is definitely guys don't open up around women. however, we have a discussion about this. i looked over at janet and janet said i'll go and it just came to me and said we are going to bring the nurses. what a critical moment that was because we brought the great
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mother with is down there. for nurses down there. these are not miss america beauty is there something. 65-year-old nurses emanating right and love and after the debriefing to ask if they want to go to lunch or something like isotopic things like no, sir, appreciated. they wanted to talk to the women because women tend the fires of hope and home in the heart and that's what we need to do it by the grace of god, we've got to do it. what i think we need to do now is i don't care if you don't ask me another question. we had colonel ted eisenman, one of the most heavily decorated vietnam veterans. maybe you can tell me what 49
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means on iraq. a very dangerous and formidable man with the biggest tardive ever known. he became the chief of staff of the national guard somehow because he had a mouth on him that wasn't afraid to open in the administration who was really wrote. first of all he sat on that pow mia the show is about to go crazy and doing some things, but the second thing with the web i may someday in the hallway and said johnny, i love you, you know. i was like what? this is the toughest, strongest soldier i've ever met who went
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aman said i love you. so it goes right along with the bowtie. i've made the first thing i like to tell people is i love you. i want ask if you think i'm kidding. you know i'm not kidding. so we love each other. we just plain love each other. you may hate each other for what we do and who we are in the way we did things, but we loved each other. we've got to spread that out. they can't take care of that. they've got to hold a ritual for a guy who doesn't want to talk to anybody and burned candles and an article in the islander newspaper up there sent to a guy in the mail and tell them because he would come to be held this in your honor in your
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community and we're going to continue to think about this. this could be an annual event honoring you. i think we really need to get rid of it in terms of love and the soul level. what is is that we can't really? to a better job in feel good? no, you're not. you're not going to put money in your ira at age 49 and feel like you are fulfilled. you've got a hole in your soulless warriors enemies to be filled with light and love and it spared we have to encourage people to spread it out. >> subducted a history lesson. i want to get to the ancient irish poem. back to the history lesson, how have our returning soldiers generally been treated by society was welcoming open arms
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or sean burke told to shut up and sit down? >> i think they've been treated warmly. there is a genuine affection and sense of support for returning veterans. but it's also the case data about who they are, what they've done and they don't understand the consequences of having served there. but it's not the situation at carl and others in vietnam think when they came back. most americans don't have any idea. they ask what would we do to help in its more than just an individual reaching out to hoe. the society recognize sameness, the sort of war that we have to realize there is a common responsibility to look at today's veterans. because started in two wars in 2001 and 2003.
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nobody anticipated how long they would take. the mission had been accomplished for the military. it was 10 years ago today or yesterday that they pulled over the statue of saddam hussein in a bad. nobody knew what to do next. nobody expect that the nature of the war. nobody prepared for the deployments we would ask people to serve. nobody thought about the nature of casualties. nobody thought about the care of the casualties coming out and we are still scrambling in terms of maintaining a force. it's not been ready for it. we're scrambling in terms of the medical system is certainly scrambling within the va system in terms of handling all this generation of veterans and as a society we asked you to go to war. we should not ask you to scramble when you come home.
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>> i was just going to say picking up from what jim is talking about is often hear people saying what is the army doing? what are the marines doing about bringing these people home? again there is a fundamental misunderstanding. military medicine as well as military psychotherapy, they are like the trainers on the professional football team. you have a fundamental conflict of interest. their job is to get back into the fight. that's the job of military medicine. except the civilian to do the healing. it's a very big difference i do expect the military is playing up the conflict at their feet. if you heal somebody from posttraumatic stress, that's going to take a long time and they're probably not going to want to go back again.
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that's not wrong. that's why they are there. i always remember i was at quantico talking to the marines down there. having six programs trying because you don't know the rules until 10 years, 15 years down the stream. this one colonel stood up and he says he was just so frustrated. we're not psychologists. murmurings. you could just see the frustration. it was somebody was built to do. so anybody who thinks it's up to the military can certainly be better. first of all the stigma of asking for help us to be removed in mandatory counseling could just remove it. every battalion has it they cut interest. the kit comes in and says i'm not feeling too good. is it the flu or something you're thinking about?
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they have a very different attitude and we just have to make some societal changes about that. the fundamental issue about healing is that two civilians, up to our end of it. >> sublimate tell you who's picking up the slack today because the point is exactly right about luxury medicine. the point is to get people back in the fight in the military has stepped up to this challenge and as a result we see real strain on the military budget. military cares went through the roof and because a lot of money from dod is being transferred in this direction and that's really going to accelerate as we see other costs come down. yesterday 17 fighter groups grounded as we see military health care costs go up. so who's going to pick up the cost? civilian community has not yet realize this is a community
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function and if the military is constraining the money they can put man, who steps forward to help the wounded of body, mind and heart to recover? the answer right now is the stress goes on the family. the story couldn't quite get to in "centerline" because my focus was these four groups and what they think about in their flashback to the combat and flash forward about the moment of arrival takes advantage of the moment they get off the airplane. what really happens, what really matters is what happens when they go home. who picks up that slack? many times it is a spouse who's totally unprepared for it. it's one thing to say i'm braced in in in the hospital with my spouse and i'll put up within convenient while they go through the business of a prosthetic limb, but now we're going to do this the next 39 years? that's a big challenge for the
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children. we can't do a piece to do. the interaction -- and i said has been on life. there's even something more complex going on if it's a way to come someone did and it has been that has to become the caregiver. what you describe is the healing nature of women. we are about to have an experiment unique in human history as we have more and were into the front lines in the question of what role do they have is women traditionally are now in a front-line unit. there's going to be extraordinary burden for them to carry and the burden not home with the wounded wife. we haven't begun to figure out how stresses resolve them selves. i'm not sure the military can do this or you can have three classes. this is part of a cultural
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change that would never once talked about sharing the burden, who's going to do the work, the business of nurture and care giving. we may need to rethink the responsibility and dedication when you sign up and raise your hand think it's not a note. i'm getting married. you're still dedicated and promised yourself to someone and something. we may have to give some real hard at about how to re-create the family and as an extension in a way that provides that kind of care over the long-term. >> john, you're one of the first ones to get to see these men and women when they do come back from combat. what do we do to get them to readjust? >> talk to them. general farmer gave me a t-shirt
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does that help the soldiers today. listen to them first however. every case is different. what can we do? i think we need to bring our units closer together in some money. we need to address together the psychological spiritual issues. you must talk about these? we've got to shoot, move and communicate. these issues of people really seeing each other. people do not feel seen. it's a terrible thing to not be seen. a lot of our soldiers feel they are not. the way they solved that, what i
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would like to get into, one of our favorite topics the last couple nights talking his way people want to go back? the myth that they want to go back because of the rash. a number of us question not. i think they want to go back because, karl uses the word because there's meaning taxpayer. a woman this morning talked about the issue of control. you have some control over your irony. when you're in an environment where there is no control like in the united states and strange things are happening that they have no sovereignty over, go back to a situation where you can troll the situation in great order to your squad into the
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company. i think we need to take that element of control and keep the local. we need to give people with jobs in the military and examiner training. we've really got a problem trying to figure out what we're going to do with training for people who've been overseas. you folks come and thank god there's a lot of women in the audience scummy new women the tenets coming up. you have to go out and interest people and coming together as a unit when there's not an immediate threat, when you don't have the luxury of the rash. instead, what we are all thinking is the meaning and feeling of belonging and we have to put that together somehow because without that, the training drills is just a laugh.
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hurry up and wait and it's just a joke. so let's go do that. let's go bring ourselves closer together. it's going to mean they've got to behave differently. it's not going to happen on an iphone. >> one of the issues is counting. you count when you're in combat. if you're a 19-year-old and you don't do your job, somebody can die. it's not the society's fault. it's the way it is. the committee vice president of the corporation and not show up for a few days. not much happens. they wonder if you're offered a golf game. i want to go back where i cannot. that's not an adrenaline rush. it's a different motivation. >> something that occurs to me
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that i recall a few years ago cnn interview, just to tape down in quantico of a young lieutenant who is back from iraq and he looked like he was 22 -- he actually looked like he was 15, but he was probably 22. yet gone over as a platoon leader in iraq and within the first week he was there, yet a couple of men killed and he was haunted by that inside every morning i wake up and think about to forget this. i've got to get out of my mind. i don't want to spend the rest of my life remembering this and that's immediately followed at the recognition. he said no, every minute for the
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rest of my life i have to remember this. my young man have a responsibility to make certain they are not forgotten. i have to admit her and that is a burden to carry and i suspect he will. >> can i just offer what will be a very short story for the cadet because i face the problem here. i had to establish my responsibility in the military but to retreat to rescind show up as a lieutenant in charge. someone used the term mission earlier today. michigan is the key to this. the key to establishing your authority. if there's something we could do coming back, it would be to give them a mission.
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we had a commemoration of the battle of the marianas very quickly as i recall the american fleet and the japanese in order to attack these japanese to the west of them. the japanese plan was to bomb the american fleet, land, renowned khmer brief it, refuel and strike a second time on the way back to the carriers. straight, land, combat. what actually happened was that the japanese struck the carriers the dive bombers, only part of them had advised against japanese carriers. there were no runways. they were destroyed upon landing.
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they are from world war ii but one of them began to cry. i turned to have been sad what was your participation? is that i wrote in the backseat of a type runner. in the at the sky and we got to the bottom and they released it on in the pilot had been shot in the guide. he said i was part of the group that wants the island and i thought it till this moment is somebody screwed up because i lost good friends in that attack and the other guys on the aircraft carrier went to attack the fleetingly chucked bombs on a runway. that battle i have been angry at the world. i've been mad because i thought somebody screwed up because life is not fair i took it out of my wife and my children and now i
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discover we were the main attack. if there is a thing you could carry out about helping soldiers menu come back in the thing you could take out of this for the rest of your career is wherever you go, whatever, you are the main attack. dishonesty focus your truth on that mission and take care of that mission that will all work out. >> thanks, dave. i think we have time for a few questions and answers. when you come up, state your name and a few minor question to be answered by specific panelists, please let us know. you have to come up to the i/o.
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it is going to be one on either side. i will start at karl. you had one passage that reminded him what colonel coffin was talking about, the female influence on the soldiers and this is from an ancient irish folklore 18. speenine this is the story of coupland. the mythic hero in the irish odyssey of virus mythology and dangerous. she is coming back from battle. the king and queen, the center
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of the irish culture is standing on the ramparts and ac coupling coming. it's like he's got wild swans the carriage pities gadgeteer before him. he's just boiling and steaming and they are terrified. they are terrified and the king doesn't know what to do. he slammed shut the doors to the gates in the right to chariot around showing us left-hand essay and he wipes himself with so it's a great insult. he says i can take you with my left hand. they are terrified inside. they don't know what to do. the queen steps out through the doors and she bears her breasts and says you must deal with the sedan comes right back down to ground. but that's about is the feminine
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, f. balancing out the wild warrior energy. what they do is they throw them into a pot of water boils it out and throw in another one and it boils the dow. he drove in another run and he finally come to see me. and then he's back to normal and he goes into the castle and sits down at the foot of the king. that's where the warrior is. ..


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